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Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.13 12:03:00 -
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No. This is an un-needed mechanic. With proper skill training you can quickly cross train over with little to no effort as it is. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:19:00 -
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I can already see it now. "Today the flavor of the month is this, everyone is expected to re-allocate all their skills into these ships" - That's exactly what we need. Better yet having a nooby lose a ship to a FOTM composition, changing all their skills to said FOTM and still having their arse kicked. I'm sorry to all those EFT warriors out there who insist on FOTM comps with little to no creativity - but fact is, many people play "Sub par ships" and are quite successful with them. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.16 10:16:00 -
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Dear Guy -
"They are reducing the high slot and the EHP of the hurricane!!!!!!!!23231!!"
They are doing that to all the other tier 2 battle cruisers as well. Congratulations, its still competitive with other BC's! |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:58:00 -
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I wish I was a 1337 PvP veteran like the OP was. Only then could I see the value in skill re-allocation, for I would be given the 1337 skills needed to fly Hurricanes and never anything else. I can no longer play the game, for I am not worthy - I have failed to master the secret art of 'cane'. The art of 'cane fitting' is a long lost secret that we will never know, for our 1337 PvP Veteran NPC Corp friend will never provide us with the knowledge needed to excel. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:05:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Astroniomix wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:
it wasn't until I started looking and testing builds for other t3's that I discovered that the tengu was the only one capable of the range, dps, and tank that was superior to other t3's. Sure, other t3's could fit more range, or tank, or dps, but not all 3 combined like the tengu could.
This should have told you that the tengu was going to get a nerf bat. Especially because you should have been able to figure out what the rest of us figured out and that the tengu's power came from the fact that heavy missiles were good at pretty much everything. I had trained into the tengu long before I discovered this information. I have a life besides this game, so i'm not going to spend hours apon hours researching a ship, and then also trying to determine if it was OP in comparison to other ships. I research fittings, I build fits, I determine capabilities of that ship, I determine the skills I'll need, and then I train. I shouldn't have to factor balancing issues into this. 10 minutes in a fitting program, that's all it takes. Less if you aren't illiterate.
Yet he has time to spend on the forum defending a stupid idea... |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:31:00 -
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Crimeo Khamsi wrote:Quote:And i'm surely not taking advice from a psychologist who thinks their merits in the real world provide ANY insightful information into a freaking video game. Fun fact: The highest paid psychologist in the United States (probably the world) currently works on video game design (slots at vegas casinos). Quote:"If you have SP into ships that have been nerfed in a way that removes their effectiveness from your intended use, you're an idiot" No, it's "If you have SP into ships that have been nerfed to the point where they are balanced with other ships, then you are no worse off than if you had trained for some other ship in the first place." Thus, you have no good reason to need to move those SP. Continue flying the ship you were already flying, and you will be just as well off as if you were allowed to move the SP to a different ship.
Exactly. They fail to realize that all the other ships have been moved up and down in power - In order to converge their level of power along the same contingent. Believe it or not the only thing the hurricane has been nerfed against has been cruisers and battleships. But that is the same as ALL battle-cruisers.
You want to know what I flew for the longest time? The Ferox and the Moa - Because I knew solely they weren't the FOTM and wanted to make them work. Believe it or not, they worked extremely well. All ships in eve can work effectively, but not all of them are generic hurricanes. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:51:00 -
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Crimeo Khamsi wrote:Sweet, maybe somebody will finally lock the thread now.
Yep, it keeps pushing good ideas to the bottom of the forum. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:05:00 -
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The game isn't going to stop evolving because it inconveniences you. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:07:00 -
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Believe it or not! All ships in the game can fulfill a variety of versatile roles except maybe the E-War and Logistical boats. Because of this, each ship does not have a "Designation". Until the re-balance which has given them a role of sorts, they can still be used in a multitude of ways. |
Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:35:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Lili Lu wrote:
Obviously you have not read this long tortuous thread. Here's a hint - just look for Tippia's posts destroying the OP's persistent typewritten diarrhea. This has been suggested by stupid people that don't understand the value of the game design multiple times over many years. Tippia and others are there to shoot it down with logic each time. More importantly the devs have stated this will not be done, and was not even hinted at as a possibility at the height of their Incarna lunacy. So,
~ gas thread lock op ~
Well, CCP also said years ago that they didn't want to introduce microtransactions into Eve because it would break immersion and the very concept and foundation of Eve. Then they introduced the Plex program which was a direct contradiction of statements like that. So, it's safe to say that many things CCP has said don't mean sh!t. CCP said they were happy with learning skills...That changed. CCP said the drake was balanced as an individual ship, but much like any other ship was powerful in blobs...that changed CCP at one point in time said they were happy with the current design of the tengu...that changed. CCP said they were happy with the current balance of all missile systems...that changed CCP said that hybrids seemed fine.. That was two hybrid buffs ago. CCP has been saying things like that for years and many of those things have later been contradicted. Remember when they said the Nex store was going to include vanity items for ships as well as characters? Well, where's my custom skin colors and/or custom markers? Or anthing that could go on my ship for that matter?
Now you understand. All things in EvE change - congratulations you've won EvE. Thread over, Hurricanes and skills will get changed.
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Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:46:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Astroniomix wrote:Refunding sp from removing learning skills was a one time deal and does not qualify as "countless times"
Actually you should do some research CCP refunds SP all the time for changes they make. But the only time you notice is if you actually have the skills they modify, and thus receive the SP for it. Newer players or players with less then 50 mil SP may never notice any of these, but those of us with 60-70-80-90-100+ SP Notice it a lot. In 10 years I have logged in no less then 20 (albeit on different chars with different skill sets) times and seen SP reallocation Available on my skill page with the Number of SP I can reallocate. So no, it isn't a "One time thing" it is an ongoing process, and people reallocate SP every day/week/month/year. But you never notice it do you? It's made obvious by your post there that you don't. So this alone is enough evidence to say this proposal will not effect the game in general, and definitely not break it.
Evidence > Claim |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:42:00 -
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I would like to pay plex in order to burn threads with fire. Could CCP make this an option? Even if it costs 20 PLEX - The amount of time I have spent reading this thread has nerfed my intellect. As such CCP should refund me for the changes to my mental health. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:45:00 -
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Dolorous Tremmens wrote:Isn't this thread a bit of a troll-fest? after all its in the "common ideas" sticky
That's why a good o'l thread burning is necessary. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
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Posted - 2013.01.18 11:11:00 -
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Mr. Gorbachev; Tear down this thread! |
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